how long is egwene a damane
Make me believe every word.”. When she releases saidar the additional pain stops, but the switches continue, and when Min tries to intervene, the other sul’dam has her damane inflict the same punishment on Min. And come to think of it, even if they can’t free Egwene from the a’dam right away, it might be possible for either Nynaeve or Elayne to wear the bracelet and function as a sul’dam, giving Egwene the permission to move about and at least get down to Domon’s ship. She explains to Min that not only does the collar stop any damane from touching a weapon, it stops them from touching anything they might even think of as a weapon, and that it is not enough to stop the action; the damane must stop the thoughts associated with the action. She thinks of seeing Galad again. The Seanchan certainly have a way of making people give up quickly; as Captain Domon points out, ordinary people just want to go on with their lives however they can, but there is more to it than that. She will attract every patrol of ours within two leagues.”, “I brought you three,” Liandrin said calmly. Like the man who calls himself Bors thought, back in the Prologue, the higher-ups among the Darkfriends know that eventually they will be able to do without so many servants of the Dark One, and they all expect that they will be those who are favored. If it had been for a different reason, Renna would have let Egwene wear a ribbon to mark the occasion, but since Egwene brought the attention on herself, Renna punishes her instead, making her feel as though she is being struck over and over with a switch. Maybe Min and Elayne, as well. “With some people,” she said, “you have to be certain. 44. “Are you ill, Nynaeve?” she asked anxiously. Egwene also learns that only women can be a sul’dam; if a man put on a bracelet, it would either be completely useless, or possibly kill both the man and the damane. I think Nynaeve has a unique advantage here; she may not have the control of, or be as experienced as, a full-fledged Aes Sedai, but we know she has this amazing, basically untapped wellspring of power that could rival any of them, and she has no sense of rules or limitations about its use. I wish I knew her name. Surely if that were the case, the Dark One would have won by now? Two more chapters next week, as is customary, and things are really going to pick up. ... Nyn/El scout around Falme trying to work out how to free Egwene. It’s an especially welcome feeling in a chapter like this, with the horror of the damane and the absolutely disgusting way Renna talks about them. She insists again that Min should escape if she can. Egwene tries to fight back, to kick Bela away, and finally reaches for saidar, but just as Renna said, she knows what Egwene is trying to do and increases the pain. The sul’dam being very weak channelers would also explain why there are so many more of them than there are of the damane. Min feels like there are a lot more than one or two “small” problems, and hopes that Nynaeve isn’t putting on a show for her the way she did for Domon. He asks if Rand will kill everyone he loves again before he dies. When Egwene is damane in Falme, her sul'dam calls her Tuli after her pet when she was young (TGH, Ch. I feel like there is a lot about channeling that has been technically addressed in the text but not explained in a way that I fully understand. Men usually think with the hair on their chests.” She touched her chest absently, as if feeling something through her coat. But just like Fain is an unexpected wrench in Ba’alzamon’s plans, so, too, will Nynaeve and Egwene be. Egwene says she knows how Ryma feels, shocking Min, who insists that Egwene mustn’t think that way. I will stop when you tell me how much you love being damane and how obedient you will be after this. Mat pushed between Egwene and Fortuona and shoved them apart, holding one hand at each woman’s chest. The brazen way they mention their “master” and threaten each other was pretty dang amusing to me, despite Egwene’s situation. But neither the soldiers nor the Aes Sedai are paying her any attention, and Renna remarks that the first lesson Egwene must learn is swift, exact obedience. To withdraw your consent, see Your Choices. But, again, it is the same attitude that Moiraine took with her in The Eye of the World and it drove Nynaeve up the wall, so seeing her do it now is just really amusing for me, especially to a young woman who will one day be a queen. Lightning cuts through the sky, but neither woman notices as they continue to threaten each other. In LOC chapter 15 there is a reference to an ageless Aiel who died at 300 years old, having been bitten by a snake. In this same way, perhaps the men who die, and kill the damane, are also channelers of very weak ability, perhaps so weak that they are not exposed to the taint enough to experience true madness. “The Father of Lies never lays simple plans,” Verin said. She sounded so patient, dealing so kindly with someone who was too dense to see the right, that Egwene wanted to scream. Ingtar is already making plans to dress some of his men as locals and send them out to find the trail, when Rand remarks, half to himself, that he can feel something pulling him towards Falme. I also thought it was interesting that he was so invested in Rand not burning himself out with saidin—he keeps claiming that the grave is his and that Rand will serve him alive or dead, but clearly alive is much better, and I’m curious as to why. Nynaeve portrait done by Jeremy Saliba. She pulls a leather cord from beneath her dress—briefly giving Min a glimpse of Lan’s ring, the very one she saw when she read Nynaeve earlier—and shows Domon her Aes Sedai serpent ring. Ten of them. Thank you for keeping the discussion, and our community, civil and respectful. The Seanchan made their mark—whatever they did to intimidate the people was so horrible no one would speak of it, and the remnants made Hurin throw up. She is going to regret calling her men back right when they were about to catch Elayne, and she is going to regret using Min as a bargaining tool to make Egwene behave. Poor Egwene is either practical or despairing, depending on your point of view, and Bayle Domon and his pirate speech make another appearance. She asks him if he knows what it means, and he hastily assures her that he does while urging her to put it away. As they step back out into the street, Nynaeve tells Elayne that they they aren’t yet at the point where they need to steal, though Elayne is aware that Nynaeve has been skipping meals. Nynaeve shoots her a rebuking look for giving Domon the knowledge that there was a second Aes Sedai prisoner. “If you cannot manage to hold them, perhaps our master should find another among you to serve him. He turns over, and finds Ba’alzamon standing over the chair where Rand tossed his saddlebags, the Dragon’s banner unpacked and draped across his hands. “I have considered myself,” Egwene said, “whether it would be appropriate to speak to one such as yourself, who has committed such terrible atrocities.” Well, why not? Through the connection she can tell that Egwene has been channeling, and although she does not raise her voice, her expression chills Egwene. The other sul’dam, the one meant to collar Nynaeve, tells her the Empress will make lords try on the bracelets to amuse the court, Renna adding that only the Empress can afford to risk her damane in such a way. Her thoughts are interrupted by Elayne asking if they can move on; she’s snitched some apples from a vendor in the alley and wants to get out of there before he notices. With more urgency she once again asks Liandrin who they are and if they are there to help Rand and the others, but the man grabs Elayne and Min, and suddenly everything happens at once. Especially not for the attention of one of the Blood.”. Brr. Egwene asks Liandrin what Suroth is talking about, but the Aes Sedai merely places her hands on Egwene and Nynaeve’s shoulders and introduces them as “the two of whom you were told” and adds that there are two more, one of whom is the Daughter-heir of Andor. Elayne, pale, exclaims that they cut her off from the True Source. Egwene is captured to become a damane (TGH, Ch. Katerine Alruddin: Black Ajah sister formerly of the Red Ajah. Killed in Tel'aran'rhiod by Egwene al'Vere. Often the dissections of my analyses have to be whited out, since you all know the endgame, but part twenty-two offered up some interesting, spoiler-free critiques that sent my thinking in some new directions. It has nothing to do with . Egwene. Outline. And just as Hawkwing’s children were more brutal and less wise than he, probably those later descendants have fallen even further. If you show them one glimmer of doubt, they’ll sweep you off in some direction you don’t want to go. I’m off to keep reading now, so I’ll just leave you with my two last thoughts. The el' in "el'Nynaeve" is a Malkieri honorific given to the Queens of Malkier.As wife to al'Lan Mandragoran, the uncrowned King of Malkier, Nynaeve is entitled to the honorific.. Unsurprisingly, I’m tremendously worried about Egwene. Happy New Year, readers! It’s not like just any woman can walk up to the White Tower and ask to be trained. Sylas K Barrett has a lot of opinions about names and what they mean to us. In The Wheel of Time Companion all the female relatives of Egwene are described with the capacity to learn to channel, many with a very good potential as Egwene herself. A hundred.”, “It isn’t swords or brawn we need now,” Nynaeve said, “but brains. When questioned, Elayne admits that she used the One Power to make a stack of melons fall as a distraction so that she could take the apples; she was certain she wouldn’t be caught, remarking that if she were an enslaved damane she certainly wouldn’t help her masters catch others, and is openly contemptuous of the people of Falme for being so obsequious towards their conquerors. Classic. Egwene is collared by Seanchan as a damane, but Elayne and Nynaeve escape capture and, with Min, devise a plan to rescue their friend. We also have Nynaeve being badass, and Egwene and Min making compromises in order to survive. This maybe is because the a'dam produces an involuntary circle between damane and sul'dam as was commented by Moridin. Given that Renna says that sul’dam must be found (i.e. They briefly wonder if Rand is really in danger or if Liandrin managed to lie about that somehow, but Nynaeve knows that she can’t worry about him now. Sheriam’s willow switch might be an intimidating form of punishment, but I doubt much can beat the a’dam‘s invisible torture for on-the-spot motivation. She dismisses Min, who has no choice but to go, and sits down with Egwene to discuss further how Egwene must be punished. Egwene met one of them, a woman named Ryma who the sul’dam call Pura, who begged Egwene to remember her real name and who wept openly because she was beginning to stop fighting against her captivity, unable to to take the pain anymore, unable even to end her own life without permission. “That makes you Aes Sedai, the Light help us all.”. His cheeks were sunken, now, his eyes hol- low. Thus they aren’t a threat, but their talent can be used to connect them to the damane and give them control over the a’dam. Verin starts a fire in the common room of an inn, and everyone comes in to warm themselves and discuss what to do next. Oh, and Elayne’s here too. Nynaeve asks if she’s seen Egwene or Min, but Elayne only knows that she saw one of the women trying to put something around Egwene’s neck and that Min was knocked down after she stabbed the big man trying to grab Elayne. Some way away, Nynaeve crouches behind some bushes, not far from the leatherleaf tree she set ablaze in her fight against the soldiers and the strange chained women. And in the meantime, even the smallest amount of it is making her feel incredibly sick; another property of the a’dam, designed to make it impossible for a damane to channel when no sul’dam is wearing the bracelet. Min snaps at Egwene to stop it and tells her that, if she is shipped off to Seanchan, Min will be there beside her. He continues to state that he must find the Horn, drawing more objections from Hurin about how things happen as they happen, and Verin counters that they all ‘must,’ a jab clearly directed at Rand. In the case of the damane and sul’dam, we also see how ingrained the idea that damane and marath’damane are merely objects to be used is in Seanchan society. She sounded so patient, dealing so kindly with someone who was too dense to see the right, that Egwene wanted to scream. How do we get her out of the house?”, “I wish Rand were here.” Elayne sighed, and when they both looked at her, she blushed and quickly added, “Well, he does have a sword. Kiji Barrynajeh snapped the a'dam bracelet onto her wrist as Nula glared at her and Gara simply looked down at the floor. Domon seems encouraged by this, but also worried, not only for his own safety but theirs, and in carefully veiled words tells them that he saw another Aes Sedai and her Warder taken in a Seanchan trap. “When Luthair Paendrag Mondwin, son of the Hawkwing, first faced the Armies of the Night, he found many among them who called themselves Aes Sedai. Meeting Ryma probably didn’t help either; of all the characters in our story, Egwene probably idolizes the Aes Sedai the most, and seeing a fully-fledged Aes Sedai as helpless and despairing as herself, a basically new novice, no doubt sapped a lot of her hope. Two women who so clearly see themselves as superior to most everyone around them, at least one of whom literally believes the other woman should be enslaved, forced to work together by none other than the Big Evil™. Elayne asks if Nynaeve knows who the men were, and tells her that two men were almost upon her, but despite the fact that they had her in their sights they turned and rode away at the sound of a horn. Most powerful female channeler alive. How to say Egwene in English? “Instead, I have only one, while two run loose, one of them more powerful by far than I had been led to believe. Nynaeve asks if Domon’s ship can avoid the Seanchan, and Domon answers that it can, if he can manage not to be destroyed by a damane first. Evil-with-a-capital-E might normally be reserved for allies of the Dark One, but I think it can apply just as well to someone who invents a whole new kind of slavery. She decides to test Egwene, and asks her to try to make a distant tree explode by heating the sap. We know Lews Therin lost the last confrontation, what with the taint and the Breaking and everything, but I imagine that the score must be roughly equal, with the Dragon at the very least keeping the Darkness at bay for another cycle of rebirth. But on the back of the chair there are smoking marks, made in the impression of fingers. If she let those pairs draw her attention, her temper might get the better of her. Egwene turns to ask Liandrin if she knows who these people are, but the Aes Sedai ignores her, replacing the Avendesora leaf and stepping up to greet the lady on the palanquin. He tells Rand he won’t be reborn this time, that the Wheel will be broken and the world remade in the image of the Shadow. Even if it is, how do we take that Shadow-spawned collar off her? She hasn’t yet negotiated a price, and doesn’t have any money anyway, but she hopes to be able to put off paying until they are underway, at which point she suspects he would not put into any Seanchan-controlled port for any reason. All comments must meet the community standards outlined in Tor.com's Moderation Policy or be subject to moderation. Egwene knew incredulity must be painting her face, because Renna laughed openly. I always enjoy the discussion you all have in the comments section, but last week’s was particularly notable to me. Nynaeve turned the horse until the sun, still short of its noonday crest, shone at their backs. When I picked out those rocks, she took me outside the town, and I was able to point right to an abandoned iron mine. The Seanchan have a brutality that is perfectly illustrated by the a’dam but certainly not limited to it. No one of Rand’s party can understand why Fain would bring the Horn to this place, although Ingtar is sure that Fain means to steal it from the Dark One and use it for his own profit. This isn’t to say that Ba’alzamon can read Rand’s thoughts, but it was his need to help Mat and protect Emond’s Field that stopped Rand from burning himself out, not fear of death, and of course Ba’alzamon was in Rand’s head back in The Eye of the World, and so probably has a pretty good idea of how important Egwene is. Our Privacy Notice has been updated to explain how we use cookies, which you accept by continuing to use this website. Not only did she have to stop thinking of hitting Renna, she had to convince herself that she would never want to hit her with the pitcher before she could touch it again. The Aes Sedai, all goody, goody, will have captured alot of the sul'dam and damane from the battle and set the damane free and now that Egwene is all hard a*s she'll probably send some of the sul'dam, under a small escort, off to Ebou Dar with the A'dam on their necks to be paraded around a bit. The title “Father of Lies?” It seems like one that has belonged to the Dark One for quite some time. Rand and Mat ask Verin if she can do anything about the weather—Verin replies distractedly that she could, but using that much power would attract the notice of anyone in the area who could channel, and they don’t want to attract the notice of the Seanchan and their damane. What makes it particularly compelling, and horrible, is the way it leans into the truth of what slavery is—a complete removal of the slave’s personhood. Siuan convinces Gawyn and Bryne to rescue Egwene. Egwene exits through the open Waygate back into the world, so absorbed in watching her friends exit behind her that it takes her a few moments to notice the group of armored men watching them with surprised expressions. She ends up running out into the street, weeping but unable to return to her own room while knowing what is happening to Egwene in the next building. 2. She tells Egwene that whatever a sul’dam feels, a damane feels doubly, even to the point of death, so Egwene must always protect her sul’dam. If you were to ask Renna why this is so, you know you would get an answer to the tune of “That is just the way it is.” There is no room in Seanchan society to question the reasons for, or the legitimacy of, the social order; indeed, such a strictly regimented one would have to be very ingrained in the minds of everyone, especially the lower class, and providing too many “reasons” for it would begin to give wiggle room to question things. Elayne grouses about the Falmen’s apparent lack of desire to resist, and privately, Nynaeve agrees somewhat. 1). I wonder how having worn the a’dam will change Egwene’s understanding of channeling. It’s Fain I have to find. They free Egwene, but are separated by the battle that ensue… As for the mind that first thought of the a’dam, it was the mind of a woman who called herself Aes Sedai.”. I get a great deal of pleasure watching Suroth and Liandrin sowing the seeds of their own failure here. Right now, she adds, she is only mildly upset, and does Egwene really wish to keep on until she is angry? “No one even thought to test me on this earlier. Ba’alzamon also offers certainty and fact, continuing to reiterate to Rand how many times they have fought and how many times Lews Therin has lost to him. Renna seems to sense her anger, and remarks that Egwene better keep her attack light, since she will feel it more than Renna. Min explains that she has no idea how to take the collar off, but that she can get at least one of them into the buildings, if that will help; as a “servant” she is allowed guests as long as they keep to the servants’ quarters. Egwene embraced the Source by reflex. Rand tells Ba’alzamon that he will die before he serves him, resulting in another rant about how Rand will die, and that the grave belongs to Ba’alzamon. "Mother, thank you for joining us this morning," Malind said. Min asks if Egwene could have lied about her ability to sense them. ... but that she herself will allow it as long as Egwene is careful. You must be a registered user to subscribe to threads. Nynaeve also used her channeling to fight, and even killed a soldier with a ball of fire. Comments must first be approved and published by the moderators before they appear on the site. Renna tells Egwene that she was honored to be spoken to by the High Lady. For anything else, a damane must act as though she never saw or heard it: Renna stresses that this is for a damane‘s own safety, since damane do not need hands to write or a tongue to speak in order do what is required of them. I think it was a mistake on Jordan’s part to have Egwene ask what is going on so many times; once is enough, and the repetition makes the moments before the fight read as taking longer than they really did. As others have said, it doesn't last very long, but the theme is recurring. Min hurries away from the room, pained by the sound of Egwene’s cries and the feeling that, no matter what she does, she only makes things worse for her friend. You can figure that the girls go through the waygate about a month to two months through rand's fuckup because Egwene talks about how long Rand has basically disappeared from her thoughts/dreams since he is essentially off the current plane of existence. Name. If things go south with the plan for the two girls, I think Ba’alzamon might not split hairs over whose fault it was, exactly. “We will both be called to the Court of the Nine Moons—you for what you can do; I as your sul’dam and trainer—and I will not allow you to disgrace me in the eyes of the Empress. Appearance and Uses. What separates a potential damane from a potential sul’dam? But she doesn’t believe that it will come to that. “You still do not know what this is like.” Egwene tugged at the collar; pulling did no more good than channeling had. I can block them, tie those off, and wrap them up in flows of Air before they know what is happening.” That self-satisfied little smile faded. Back in Chapter 38, Elayne remarked that a farmer would be shunned if he treated his oxen the way the novices were treated by the Aes Sedai, but now we have a case in which Egwene is being literally treated like an animal to be trained by someone who has absolutely no problem with animal abuse. Sometimes she even seems to know when she isn’t wearing it; she says sul’dam develop—an affinity, she calls it—after a while.” She sighed. Could we allow anyone to run loose who can do what a damane can? Suddenly Egwene’s skin is covered in a burning pain, one that continues to build as Renna calmly remarks that not all damane are allowed to keep their own names, but that she will allow it, if Egwene does not displease her too much. Who’da thunk it. After having Elayne fix her hair, she declares that they will ride south to Falme after finding some local clothes. Like a Chekhov’s gun of karma, it will eventually always be used against you. Two more chapters next week, in which we get Nynaeve making plans and Min trying to keep Egwene’s spirits up while everything gets increasingly more horrible. But since Rand is the Dragon Reborn and also ta’veren, no matter what alternate reality you’re in, it’s probable that at least some of them would have encountered him in those other lives, especially as we know that Rand was a king in at least one reality, and that he declared himself the Dragon Reborn in at least one. There is yelling, and a gale whips up, and one of the women slaps some kind of collar around Egwene’s neck. They stood near several pairs of sul’dam and damane. Receive notification by email when a new comment is added. Then she hears her name being called. 48). Liandrin counters that Suroth fears him more than she fears being burned to a cinder by Liandrin. Doing something. So you almost have to have a ridiculous amount of arrogance in order to choose to be a Darkfriend for reasons of power-lust. To withdraw your consent, see Your Choices. Chapter 40 Damane. Nynaeve answers calmly that they will not allow the same to happen to them. That book in particular plays around with time a lot. Egwene is taken back to the damane complex in Falme, where she is trained to use Earth. Min comes in, keeping a forced cheeriness that she has been putting on for Egwene’s sake, announcing that it is time for her weekly visit. Egwene wove by instinct, intending to remove his … Even if she was never rescued, I think she would keep fighting for a very long time, and she has the sort of flexible temperament that makes me imagine that she would find little ways of resisting, of keeping her mental defenses up even as she was forced into more and more capitulation, rather than just snapping the way someone with more pride or need for power might. Receive notification by email when a new comment is added. They are both clearly so sure of themselves that they’re not even being cautious; sure, Suroth has the rigid Seanchan class system that dictates that none of her servants will even try to figure out what she’s talking about, never mind tell anyone about it, and Liandrin is quite sure she’ll never see Egwene or any of the others again, but we the readers know that this hubris will return soon to bite them both on their Darkfriend behinds. “Aye, mayhap it will be as you say. Sometimes men are born who would be marath’damane if they were women— it is so here also, I have heard— and they must be killed, of course, but the women do not go mad. Has everyone come to understand that Rand is a channeler? It was all overgrown, and there wasn’t any opening to be seen at all, but once I knew how, I could feel the iron ore still in the ground. They stood near several pairs of sul’dam and damane. Chapter 42 finds Elayne and Nynaeve in Falme, carefully avoiding a passing sul’dam and damane. The only thing that I can figure is the strength of their ability, unless I have missed something in the text that explains it. Light, I hate making things explode, but I wish that was all I could do.”. Renna decides that it was a mistake letting Egwene keep her old name, in letting her feel like she is important or valuable, and declares that she will now be called Tuli, after a kitten Renna once had. “It may be that he wants Fain to bring the Horn here for some reason known only in Shayol Ghul.”, “Monsters,” Mat snorted. In the parts of the books however where Egwene was chained I got the impression that Egwene herself was forced to do the things for her Sul'damn instead of being used as a living ter'angreal or something like that. Because dead men can’t channel, I suppose—a willing, living servant sworn to Ba’alzamon’s service versus just another ghost. Egwene silently calls out for Nynaeve, somebody, to help her.